svenm
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Post by svenm on Apr 19, 2012 12:34:57 GMT -5
..........even Judy Rankin said that a good round tomorrow could turn it all around for Michelle!......... ........Boola Boss Mr Boss, what do you mean by "even" Judy Rankin ("even" would only make sense if Judy Rankin where known to be highly critical of MW)? By the way, didn't Judy Rankin also say something to the effect that we have to wait until the MW's graduation ceremony in June for "the turnaround" to happen? Where is the logic in that? Sadly, I think we can safely say that Judy Rankin is losing it. |
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Post by jcd on Apr 19, 2012 12:42:54 GMT -5
So I guess you don't agree with her assessments of Lexi's game or Suzanne's or Yani's all of which were highly favorable, if you think she is losing it. Or is it just that you have no faith in Michelle ever getting it back? You seem to agree with our poster who insists her problem is with the wrong coach and she will have a miraculous turnaround if she just leaves Leadbetter and her parents and everyone around her. Yea, right. Swing changes when going through a difficult time is just the cookie for instant success.  |
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Post by svenm on Apr 19, 2012 16:58:48 GMT -5
So I guess you don't agree with her assessments of Lexi's game or Suzanne's or Yani's all of which were highly favorable, if you think she is losing it. Or is it just that you have no faith in Michelle ever getting it back? You seem to agree with our poster who insists her problem is with the wrong coach and she will have a miraculous turnaround if she just leaves Leadbetter and her parents and everyone around her. Yea, right. Swing changes when going through a difficult time is just the cookie for instant success. Well, yes indeed I am not all that impressed by Lexi. On the other hand, if Rankin did not praise Yani or Suzanne then I would not say she is losing it, then I would say she already lost it. Oh, I have faith that eventually MW will have some kind of a turnaround. But will she ever again be as good as she was in 2006 (three top five in majors, no missed cut)? Nobody knows. Getting rid of Leadbetter and her parents would certainly help, but the resulting turnaround would neither be miraculous nor fast. |
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Post by jcd on Apr 19, 2012 17:40:27 GMT -5
So I guess you don't agree with her assessments of Lexi's game or Suzanne's or Yani's all of which were highly favorable, if you think she is losing it. Or is it just that you have no faith in Michelle ever getting it back? You seem to agree with our poster who insists her problem is with the wrong coach and she will have a miraculous turnaround if she just leaves Leadbetter and her parents and everyone around her. Yea, right. Swing changes when going through a difficult time is just the cookie for instant success. Well, yes indeed I am not all that impressed by Lexi. On the other hand, if Rankin did not praise Yani or Suzanne then I would not say she is losing it, then I would say she already lost it. Oh, I have faith that eventually MW will have some kind of a turnaround. But will she ever again be as good as she was in 2006 (three top five in majors, no missed cut)? Nobody knows. Getting rid of Leadbetter and her parents would certainly help, but the resulting turnaround would neither be miraculous nor fast. You know I am sick of the rhetoric of get rid of Leadbetter. He was her coach in 2006 whether you remember that or not. I remember him being with her at the Women's British when Johnny Miller said she had the best swing in golf, male or female. It was under Leadbetter she made all those wonderful scores. She is comfortable with him and that is the most important thing. She has stated time and again she wants her parents with her. You want her to be alone with a new coach and floundering for a possible improvement? Nonsense. |
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Post by wowwie1 on Apr 19, 2012 20:24:13 GMT -5
Her best golf was under Gilchrist when he was the top instructor at Leadbetter.
Her parents should certainly be around, but NOT in a coaching position like they are now.
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Post by wowwie1 on Apr 19, 2012 20:27:39 GMT -5
JCD,
And now a 9 on a par 5.
You're right, things are great under Leadbetter.
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Post by jcd on Apr 20, 2012 7:24:36 GMT -5
JCD, And now a 9 on a par 5. You're right, things are great under Leadbetter. Can't find where I said that. Please post so I can remember. |
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Post by jcd on Apr 20, 2012 7:31:10 GMT -5
Her best golf was under Gilchrist when he was the top instructor at Leadbetter. Her parents should certainly be around, but NOT in a coaching position like they are now. Could you be so kind as to quote year-by-year statistics to corroborate your statement. I may just be getting senile, but I just don't remember her being better and having better results before she went with Leadbetter. |
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Post by chargepads on Apr 20, 2012 8:15:29 GMT -5
If Golf were that easy to figure, everyone here that plays the game would be a scratch player. MW's game is like a sine wave, she will rebound.  |
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Post by balabill on Apr 20, 2012 15:51:43 GMT -5
I am a man of few words and I get a laugh out of laymen analyzing a person’s skills and attitudes especially by TV announcers. I am also a father of three boys who managed to grow up to be beautiful people without my constant interference.
The same applies to Wiesy’s game. How many people do you know that juggled full time university with a highly skilled athletic profession? To be honest with you I can not think of anyone. Yet we expect Wiesy to perfect both of them, and as much as she would like to perfect both, it’s a bit unrealistic.
When she graduates from Stanford, I believe in June then and only then should we expect her to succeed on the fairways. I believe her game will be solid come US Open time in July with a top 5. She will win the Evian Masters in Aug. and the British Open in Sept.
Not bad for a girl who missed two cuts in the early spring.
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Post by jcd on Apr 20, 2012 19:03:49 GMT -5
For those alarmed at the prospect of a golfer making a on a par 5, you might be interested in these fun facts (notice the words pro golfers):
Question: What are the highest scores on one hole by pro golfers?
Answer: The PGA Tour has only compiled individual hole scores since 1983. So since 1983, the highest scores on individual holes on the PGA Tour are:
PGA Tour High Hole Scores
18 - John Daly on par-5 at 1998 Bay Hill Invitational
16 - Kevin Na on par-4 at 2011 Valero Texas Open
16 - Gary McCord on par-5 at 1986 FedEx St. Jude Classic
There are reports of similar and even higher scores from previous years, however. Tommy Armour made a 23 on a par-5 at the 1927 Shawnee Open. Ed "Porky" Oliver made 16 on a par-3 in the 1954 Bing Crosby Pro-Am.
Daly's 18 happened on the sixth hole at Bay Hill and was earned by putting six balls into the water. Na's adventure is described here.
European Tour High Hole Scores
On the European Tour, the worst scores are:
20 - Philippe Porquier on par-3 at 1978 French Open
17 - Chris Gane at 2003 Diageo Championship at Gleneagles
Other Tours and Majors
The highest single-hole score recorded in a U.S. Open is 19, scored by Ray Ainsley on a par-4 in the 1938 U.S. Open. This score is recognized by the USGA as the tournament record, and the U.S. Open is counted by the PGA Tour as a tour event. But, again, the tour has compiled hole records only since 1983, and so sticks by that date as its starting point for this stat.
On other tours, Mitsuhiro Tateyama scored 19 on a par-3 during the 2006 Acom International on the Japan Tour.
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Post by LoJo on Apr 20, 2012 19:33:08 GMT -5
So, Wiesy's 9 on the par 5 equates the same as a buncha nobody golfers having disasterous holes? Is that what we want to see as an excuse?
C'mon. She played like shit in this tourney.
I've been a Michelle fan from day ONE! I want to see her get back to the great golf we know she's capabale of. It's NOT happening now. She's wasted. It breaks my heart.
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Post by LoJo on Apr 20, 2012 19:37:26 GMT -5
When she graduates from Stanford, I believe in June then and only then should we expect her to succeed on the fairways. I believe her game will be solid come US Open time in July with a top 5. She will win the Evian Masters in Aug. and the British Open in Sept. Not bad for a girl who missed two cuts in the early spring. Michelle has technically already "graduated" from Stanford. She's simply awaiting the ceremony where they award the degrees. You are a wonderful fan, expecting her win the Evian and the British Open. I sure hope she does too. But, at this point, I'd be happy if she made the cut in those events. Wie fans...please!! Let's get realistic!! Something has to change or MW is toast. |
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Post by jcd on Apr 21, 2012 6:04:46 GMT -5
So, Wiesy's 9 on the par 5 equates the same as a buncha nobody golfers having disasterous holes? Is that what we want to see as an excuse? C'mon. She played like shit in this tourney. I've been a Michelle fan from day ONE! I want to see her get back to the great golf we know she's capabale of. It's NOT happening now. She's wasted. It breaks my heart. OMG, it was posted as fun. I looked it up due to the personal attack on my opinion not being the same as that of another poster and he jumped on her score on one hole as if only she could do that because she has a lousy coach. Oh, and "nobody golfers"? Seems a number of those names are pretty familiar but those are only the extremes. I would assume a very large number of current high-ranking professionals on all tours have made a quadruple bogey and probably more than once. Chill out. I understand that you are one of those that seems to agree that Michelle should hop on the "make a big change wagon" and maybe she should, but I don't believe that is what should happen right now. I am being mocked by another poster because of that belief. I don't mock those that do believe that even though they have nothing to show they are correct in their belief. I posted to remind people that when she was fantastic, before the injury, she was being coached by Leadbetter. Seems people have a tendency to overlook that. Remember, too, that after the injury when she was also horrible, she returned to better form eventually and was at that time being coached by Leadbetter. At least I have some results to fall back on and no one has anything to prove they are correct that she should make that change right now and it will miraculously cure her of whatever it is that is holding her back this year.. |
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Post by wowwie1 on Apr 21, 2012 6:59:31 GMT -5
LPGA Tour career summary
Scoring
average
2002: 75.67
2003: 73.00
2004: 71.00
2005: 70.76
2006: 70.78
2007: 76.68
2008: 72.15
2009: 70.57
2010: 71.34
2011: 71.94
2012: 75.42
First band, Gilchrist. Balance, Leadbetter.
The trends are clear.
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